Bill Maher spoke to former Fox News and NBC News personality Megyn Kelly for the opening interview Friday on HBO. Real time, but their discussion was not at all about his former employers or his controversial past. Instead, they had a frank discussion about race, social justice, and 21st century “victimization” in America, especially how it relates to children and their schools.
After a brief back and forth over the far right / far left state of cable news, Maher said he really wanted to have Megyn Kelly’s podcast the returning host to explain why she and her husband took her children out of their private schools in New York. Their conversation revolved around anti-racism and “social justice” efforts schools are doing, and – saying he’s heard the same thing “anecdotally” from other parents – he asked Kelly on this.
She said she “loved their schools” even though “they were definitely on the left” but “then they went left” and “took a very difficult turn towards social justice.” Kelly spoke of her 8-year-old boy’s school which “started a three-week experimental trans-education program. It wasn’t about support – we thought it was more like they were trying to to convince their. ”And that“ confused the children ”.
She also said her babysitter “was ordered to write a letter to the Cleveland Indians to oppose their mascot.”
Maher and rang the bell saying that’s the kind of thing he’s heard from parents, who say, “My kids aren’t ready to be told they’re white supremacists. I am not ready to hear this.
He then read a letter from a school that said things like “there is a killer cop sitting in every school where white children learn”, “I’m tired of white people reveling in their state sanctioned depravity. and suffocate black life without consequences ”and“ while black bodies fall like flies around us by white hands… ”. Maher said: “It bothers me so much that I have to be on this side of this issue because I have always been a civil rights defender. Do not do I Tucker Carlson. You are the damn fools – this is crazy. “
He added: “There [are] racist issues in this country, but that’s hyperbole. And that drives people crazy. This is not how we come to the Promised Land. “
Kelly agreed, saying, “It’s divisive, it’s racist, and it’s had the exact opposite effect from what they envision.” She later added: “Everyone is divided into ‘oppressed’ or ‘oppressor’ on racial identity, on gender identity. .. I mean, it’s really damaging, and as you get older studies show that this kind of biased educational effort implied highlight racism. So if someone has racist thoughts in the back of their head, it brings them to the frontal lobe, and more people. act on their latent racism than they otherwise would have.
After a few more examples of what they both perceived to be overbreadth from the schools – and some of the students of color – Maher said to Kelly, “Again, I’m with you. Of course, we have to recognize that there is racism in this country and that our history is horrible and sorry. We don’t have a truly horrible and sorry present, certainly as much as in the past. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t work to be done and we should be doing it, but don’t get me excited. … I have the impression that it is beyond race. I feel like this is a generational issue where so many people want their identities to be seen as a victim.
Kelly replied, “This is the push now, to lean towards victimization. And it’s not just a question of race, I see it in some of my fellow citizens… but we don’t have to look at victim status, even when we could be victims. Even if you are a real victim, which I have been in the past as well, it is not psychologically useful nor useful to look into it. I always use the word “target”. I was the target of some men – that didn’t make me the victim of anyone. And the more you wallow in this mentality, the more you orient yourself towards negativity and attract more of it into your life.
To conclude their session, Maher thanked her guest for coming “and talking about this – it’s not an easy topic, and I hope one day we don’t have to talk about it.”
You can watch most of their conversation above and Maher’s monologue below: